ROCKED: In conversation with ALL THE BRIGHTNESS
By BD Marie Hughes
Originally submitted to TAMBOURINE Magazine www.TambourineMagazine.ca - February 10.2008
ALL THE BRIGHTNESS
Nick Mazzei – vocals, guitars
Kevin Bailey – bass guitar
Pete Maniatis – drums
In mid-February, I met with the gifted Canadian rock band All the Brightness, based out of Toronto. They’ve been together for the better part of 3 years and have garnered prestigious industry recognition & awards from both Indie Week and The Toronto Independent Music Awards (TIMAs). Among other accomplishments, the band also enjoys serious internet radio play (IndieSolo.com and BreakThruRadio.com, to name but a few).
BD/Tambourine: Nick, this question is for you. Many of your songs of the modern rock/power pop genre speak to the human condition, often with a glimmer of hope.
Beautiful Massacre – Will you follow, Even for no reason? / There’s always a treasure out there, To be uncovered, I feel love all around me; and,
Come a Long Way – Can’t get too far if you, Don’t know who you are / If there’s one thing I’ve, Learned, it’s to set a pace, One I can handle, Within a reachable place / I come on strong, When I know I belong.
Are you drawing on your own life’s experiences or those you’ve observed? In any time or place, your lyrics are universal. What can you share with us about your writing process?
All the Brightness (ATB) Nick: A lot of inspiration comes from experiences in my life. My observations and my own personal experience. It pretty much starts there and I incorporate stuff I see around me. Whether it be politics or other aspects of the human condition. I try to put it all together to make it easy for someone to relate to and not so specific to my circumstances. I think I’ve always had that writing style. It means more when someone can take what they hear and relate it to their own personal experience. That is validating to me.
T: You have placed twice in the USA Songwriting Competition which accepts entries worldwide. “Never You” won first place in the rock/alternative category in 2006, and “Soul Deposit” has placed as a finalist for 2007. All the Brightness also made the semi-finals with “Soul Deposit” in the International Songwriting Competition in 2007. A big congratulations from me on those accomplishments! How has this exposure parlayed for the band?
ATB Pete: We got a free guitar! (everyone laughs)
ATB Nick: It definitely raised our confidence. I don’t think we’ve fully taken advantage of our accolades as much as we should. We’re taking baby steps, maybe, to something bigger.
ATB Pete: We got someone from Universal in New York contacting us. I guess that’s something that builds your confidence. In the end, this and that happened, and things didn’t work out. But the fact that we were at least contacted was a big confidence booster for us.
T: Last February you had an invitation from IndieCan.com for a live performance radio session along with an interview with Joe Chisholm. The live radio experience…. (laughs) What was that like?
ATB Kevin: It was a lot of fun really. We went in and played a few songs and did a short interview. It was a good experience.
ATB Pete: It was very comfortable. They do it in a recording studio. We each got our own little booth. We’ve been in studios for years now so it was pretty fun.
ATB Nick: It wasn’t broadcast live. They recorded everything we did beforehand and then they broadcast. So it’s not really 100% live. We may have been a bit nervous if it was live. Nevertheless, it was definitely a unique experience because we haven’t done anything like that before.
ATB Kevin: What I liked about it is that we have a lot of fans in other parts of the world and it gave them a chance to hear us play the songs live and find out a little more about the band.
T: Do you consider it a “door opener” to get national air time? You must feel that you’re doing something right.
ATB Kevin: Anytime we’re presented with an opportunity, it’s a validation that we’re doing okay and an affirmation that we’re doing something right.
ATB Nick: As far as mainstream radio goes, we’ve learned that it’s not realistic at our level as All the Brightness right now because there are a lot of politics involved. If you don’t have a lot of money, you don’t get radio play. If you have the money, you can pay to have yourself played. But that’s way out of our budget. We sort of set our aim at a level that we think we can accomplish – for now, anyway. I mean that’s something ultimately we hope to accomplish – to get out to the masses. But, as I’ve said, it’s baby steps for now.
T: Was it the same feeling that “you’re on the right track” when you were asked to be part of compilation cd’s put out by Powercast Radio and AlternativeAddiction.com?
ATB Pete: Ya, definitely with AlternativeAddiction.com because we didn't have any personal connection with them. We contacted them randomly through the Indie Bible and down the line they not only invited us to be on their compilation cd, but also put us in their Top 20 Indie Bands of 2006, so that definitely makes us feel validated that what we’re doing is good in other people’s minds.
ATB Kevin: I don’t think that’s necessarily the reason why we do it. That we think we’re getting on cds. It’s more the fact that people enjoy our music and want to include it in their projects.
ATB Nick: We like what we do. Every new song is exciting. We look forward to showcasing it and getting feedback. And that makes it all worthwhile.
T: Twice in 2007 unbiased reviews by listeners at Garageband.com earned you “Track of the Day” airplay. What was this experience like? Did this type of internet radio exposure help secure the deals “Crash Addicts” on the Outdoor Life Network and CrucialMusic?
ATB Pete: The CrucialMusic thing came from a myspace contact. They contacted us through myspace. The appeal came from the USA Songwriting Competition.
ATB Nick: CrucialMusic came a few weeks after we won the USA Songwriting Competition. It may have been pure coincidence or because we won and were able to get some recognition there. The song that won was the same song on their website for possible licensing.
ATB Kevin: Crash Addicts was basically by word of mouth through mutual acquaintances. They heard our cd and decided our style was right for their theme song. We had a song presented to us and we had to put our signature sound on it.
ATB Nick: They had a song more “country” in style and they wanted it more “rocked up”.
ATB Kevin: I think they wanted it to sound more “Guns n Roses”.
ATB Nick: Somebody recommended us to take on this task. We put our spin on it. They ended up liking it. We went ahead with it and recognized the potential exposure. It was the experience as well and something to add to our resumé.
T: Are you still on rotation on MuchLoud? How did you get added? Has this generated more interest in your band?
ATB Pete: You can check us out on MuchLoud.ca, so I think we’re still in rotation on TV. But I haven’t seen it recently.
ATB Nick: There’s a weekly panel and selection process involved and we did get through the panel. I’m sure they get tons and tons of videos a day. Basically, if you can shoot your own video and it looks good, and you get a shot to go down to MuchMusic, if they like it, it gets a chance to play on MuchLoud.
ATB Pete: Our old manager was telling us that he saw it up until about 16 weeks in, so it got a least that much rotation.
T: You must have been excited to have been selected!
ATB Nick: Thrilled – we were thrilled!
T: What can you tell us about the BoDog competition? One band that I recently interviewed made it to the All Ontario finals.
ATB Kevin: Well, I can tell you that we didn’t! It’s all based on internet voting, and for whatever reason, we don’t really excel in that department. We’re just maybe a different type of band. A younger band will have a younger audience and go to the BoDog site and vote every day. We entered, we promoted it like any other undertaking and, for whatever reason, we didn’t go very far. We didn’t get a showcase or venue to play at.
ATB Kevin: It’s kind of like getting into Canadian Music Week. We apply every year and they don’t accept us. It’s not our music. It’s just that we don’t have the right connections or enough buzz.
T: (I ask some questions “off the record”. The discussion becomes more intense and I’m asked by the band to put the following “ON the record”.)
ATB Pete: We met the person who runs the USA Songwriting Competition at NXNE. He was on one of the songwriting critique panels and I remember the panel listening to our song and this person being blown away by it (the song). Meanwhile we apply to NXNE and CMW year after year and never get in, which seems kind of inconsistent. Anyway, it's not that big of a deal because at this point we know that the selection process is not exactly based on merit alone. A lot of the nights are sponsored by magazines or record labels and other industry groups and they place their own bands on their nights, so there's very few spots remaining for the bands who simply submit their press kits. In the end, I think it's more about who you know than how good you are.
ATB Kevin: I think it’s ironic that we won an American songwriting contest and we’re still not getting into Canadian festivals. (Understood “Read between the lines”.)
T: I have to ask: What’s the deal with Total Wrestling Entertainment? (laughs) That’s the “WWE” of Australia, right? The “TWE Divided Music Video” on YouTube really slams! (still laughing) How did the two of you come together?
ATB Kevin: It’s ultimately through myspace.com. We have some very loyal fans in Australia who just, I don’t know, they came across our band and really like our music. And these fans are really promoting us hard down there. And they know some people who make those videos and they recommended us.
T: In my discussions with other indie musicians, there seems to be a consensus that it will be a partnership or certain type of pairing that will bring success. For example, indie punk bands or hard metal bands with skateboarding. Will it be All the Brightness and Australian wrestling? (everyone laughs)
ATB Nick: I don’t think that’s our first reaction. To think that it might be something, you never know, we’re not going to close ourselves off.
ATB Kevin: I don’t know how it would logistically work out with us being in Toronto, but it always helps when someone decides to use your music with their product or whatever they do. When you’re partnering with someone, you both stand to gain from the exposure.
ATB Nick: Maybe it might branch out into other extreme sports. I can see some of the new songs being used for sports advertising. It’s all cool.
T: Any idea on types of extreme sports?
ATB Pete: Ping pong! (everyone laughs)
T: You know I can help promote you if it’s rowing! Windsurfing! Ice windsurfing! Note to self: All the Brightness. Ice windsurfing. Bring helmets. (more laughing)
T: As a spin off to that question, how hard is it to maintain connections that will present your music once you’ve made those connections? I know of one-off’s, say, for indie punk rock bands on snowboarding. There often isn’t a follow up gig. You managed 2 (“Lost in the Soul Deposit” and “Never You”) with the Aussie wrestling. Any thoughts on that?
ATB Kevin: Well, in some ways it’s easy, and some, it’s hard. With the internet it’s easy to get in touch with people on myspace. On the other hand, there are so many contacts you can lose track of them.
ATB Nick: I don’t know what it is about the music business. Or the entertainment business in general. The hard part comes where there is always a new flavour of the week. Unless you’re constantly maintaining contact, you’re easily forgotten. It’s one of those things we have to constantly stay at it. Sending out emails or whatnot just to remind them that you’re there. It could be something as simple as keeping our website up-to-date as much as possible. At least if they happen to visit your website they see that things are current and you’re working. And, if something comes up, they’re able to reach you.
ATB Kevin: I honestly think that the worthwhile contact usually comes to you. If you have to work at something too hard, it’s usually not worth it, I think, in this industry.
ATB Nick: I agree with Kevin. For some reason, it’s the way some people are. They’re just really hard to reach. And when you do reach them, it’s worth it. But that’s for some people. They are few and far between.
ATB Kevin: If you expose yourself properly on myspace and your website and work at those enough, that’s pretty much the best you can do.
T: Will you be participating in Indie Week and the Toronto Independent Music Awards in 2008? You seem to be gaining momentum with these independent music showcases.
ATB Pete: I think we will be participating in Indie Week. Last year for the TIMAs, we didn’t have a new product so we didn’t participate. If we get our album done, we’ll definitely be participating!
T: I have to say that out of all the indie bands I’ve interviewed, All the Brightness is the first one I’ve seen with 6 digit profile views in myspace! What was the count as of today’s date? 120,142?? That’s pretty solid. Obviously you have a very interested fan base. You seem to be using the internet to your advantage.
ATB Kevin: Ya, we try! I basically do 80% of the internet work, whatever you want to call it. It’s a lot of work. It’s almost a fulltime job to stay on top of it. I just think that’s a good way of promoting your music these days.
T: You gig pretty regularly at select clubs in Toronto and to the southwest: Mississauga, Brantford, Hamilton, Kitchener, London, and Windsor, among others to the west and east of the city. Your recent performance at the El Mocambo in Toronto was stellar. I hope you thanked the sound guy – he did the best job I’ve heard in a long time. You sounded great! There were also a lot of people to take you in that night. In terms of touring, do you have any aspirations to cast the net wider?
ATB Nick: First, we can thank the sound guy – it’s Tod Cutler at The Elmo.
ATB Kevin: It’s nice to think about – it would be cool. I think right now we don’t have enough things working for us to go on the road. Unless we have radio promotions going on, there wouldn’t be a point.
ATB Nick: Other than honing our live show, to just pick up and go tour without having other things in place, yes, you do expose yourself to other new fans, but the yield or reward would be little compared to what you have to put forth. It’s a pretty big undertaking. As Kevin said before, if you can put a lot of the pieces in place like prior radio rotation and people listening to you before you visit, you at least get 10, 20, 30 more people in attendance at your shows than if you went on the fly. Our goal is to get more radio play, other college radio play, and building our fan base in Toronto and the neighbouring metropolis. Detroit. Windsor. London. New York City. (laughs) I don’t know – we’ll see.
T: What are the plans for All the Brightness going forward?
ATB Pete: We have new material for a new cd so we should have it recorded by mid to the end of April. We’ll have 10 new songs out.
ATB Nick: And once we have that, we’ll follow up with another video or video campaign and just gigging. We’ll try again to build on the little successes like “Soul Deposit”. It’s a lot of hard work. We all work fulltime jobs, too, and that’s what kind of limits us to a large degree. But we do what we can and use the internet to our advantage.
ATB Pete: The main goal is to make the best music we can and something that satisfies us creatively. And you do your best to support the business. We don’t have a ton of control over that. First and foremost it’s the music. Everything else comes after that.
REFS/Sources:
www.myspace.com/AllTheBrightness
www.AllTheBrightness.com
Photographer credit: TBA